The emergence of Europe during the Early Middle Ages saw the development of two competing interests. There was the Christian church which stepped into the power vacuum created by the collapse of Roman authority. There was also the emergence of powerful kings like Charlemagne. Based upon the reading, describe what you believe was the relationship between these two interests early during the Middle Ages.
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The relationship between the christian church and powerful kings seems to be they both coexisted together to create what europe is today. Kings would rule, and they would most likely be Christian and follow Christian morales, or they would be the opposite and their people would follow christian morales. As kings ruled over people in Europe, christianity in a sense ruled over the people also. As it would guide their laws, beliefs and behaviour.
The way that Charlemagne organized his rule made his power reach right down to the local level. With the missi domecini, his wishes were carried out so his rule kept expanding. His administration made him a strong king. The fact that Charlemagne was Christian made the way easier for the Christian church structure to expand. The Christian way of organizing made papal authority spread out to wide areas. The monks established their lands and community service to spread Christianity. The way both these interests were organized made them stronger and their relationship helped each other grow.
the two competing interests, church and state, rapidly gained power at the same time. this caused competition and rivalry between them both. the church would say something that gave them a little more control. this made the state afraid of loss of power. they would then reinforce the control. the power shifted like a see saw.
Early during the middle ages, power between the church and state clashed. Christianity became the predominant religion of the Roman Empire. As the official Roman state disintegrated, the Christian church began to play a more necessary role in civilization's political and governing systems. As the Christian Church developed a governing body, Charlemagne only expanded this because he was of the religion him self. Although this alowed the governing of the Church to prosper, eventually there needed to be orderly divison between the state and church to limit chaos and confusion.
The relationship between these to main powers was the timing. The priorities both these leaders dealt with were perfect for that time. After the fall of the Roman Empire Western Europe needed answers, and needed to re-build rapidly. With all the major powers around them they had to come back strong. Well with Christianity they were able to put all the burden they had on faith and faith is the most powerful thing in the world. It unites people and makes them stronger. In Charlemagne’s case he was able to conquer territory and win battles successfully. With the ability to expand there land mass and social economic territory it proved to be a fine band-aid on the Roman society.
The Christian Church had far more power than the kings. There was no seperation of church and state so the pope was basically the ruler over the king- at least, he held much more power. This is shown in the story Mr. Yip told us today about the king having to beg the pope for forgiveness.
I think that the relationship between the two powerful forces, the Christian church and the kings. There seem to be like any other thing, more control over the land, in this case is Europe. I think in this case this battle is kind of like religion vs. science. They both have their own ways of doing things and they will fight to preserve there way that they think is right.
I believe that there was always a struggle for power between these two powers. But what I believe was the one that could throw it's own weight around easier was the church. I believe so because the church had a major influence on the people of the remains of the Roman Empire. For instance, if there was a group of people that were governed by an evil king who had harsh laws and was cruel to the people. Then came the church who promised everyone to be treated equally and fair through the eyes of the lord, then they would go to the church instead of the king.
The first contact between was with Clovis. He converted to Christianity noticing of the benefits he reaped. This is so as he gained the support of the Roman Catholic Church, which was also in great power at the time. It seemed only then to become in great power you needed the Church's support on your side, considering their power at the time.
I believe the relationship between these two intrestes basically dealed with power. Both of these intrests clearly had some sort of power. The Church played a role in the growth of the new European civilization, and Christianity has become the predominant religion. That indicates that the church clearly had some form of power. The kinds also had power. Kingdoms were established which also held power. In a way these two interests clashed. They both somehow tied into each other. Church has a form of government and the government looked up to the pope and bishops at time.
The relationship between the Christian church and the powerful kings were that they were essentially the leaders at that time or most in power. They both helped each other in the middle ages like when kings expanded the territory than the chruch can gain more follows because of that and their rein of power grows. This is because a lot of the kings were catholic.
Edward Cummins
The relationship between Christianity and the Kings rule was that the Christian beliefs offer up a chance for more power for the church instead of the state because as mentioned in class today, the ending of the duel between church and state was that the religion won because the people had a faith in Christianity and if the people were against him, they were believed that they wouldn't go to heaven. So this works as a tool to keep church under control.
The relationship between the Christian Church and the king's rule was that they were both together ruling Europe. Europe needed Christianity in there time of need because they needed something to believe in the faith in christianity united them. The people of Europe followed both christianity and the rule of government because people would believe in what the church says but also follow the laws of the king.
I agree with Bryan. I believe that the relationship between the two interests was the enormous amount of power that each of them held. The church had great power, because it was arranged like a governmet and at the top had power and influence over Europe's future. The kings also had great power for Charlemagne expanded the borders over his empire, and united the Romans, the Germans, and the church.
The church would beast on the kings. People will flock toward the person who will provide them the most happiness and security for the longest time. And eternity sounds better than one lifetime on earth. The church has power.
In the early middle ages, the early French kings were at odds with the church and the pope, as both the king and the pope held seats of power, and neither one of them liked to have their authority undermined. The issue here, was that the pope controlled the peoples belief systems, and inherently, controlled the people. The king could only watch as his people turned against him in scenarios such as this.
I believe that Charlemagne tried to manipulate the Christian church to his own way to expand his reigning territory. This would result in people fighting because their king had somehow struck a deal with the pope and therefore the pope said that if they fight for the king they will then go to heaven and that is their "salvation" to speak of in a way.
I believe the relationship between the two powers were that they both wanted ultimate power. The kings were able to conquer lands while the pope was able to convert people to Christianity. It's a win win situation for the most part. The King conquers the land and the people living on the land and the pope converts those people to Christianity. Except, they both want to rule over that land, which should be the kings duty.
There was barely a separation between church and state during the mid-evil times. The king and the pope both reigned over the Europeans. The Pope seemed to have more power. This alliance united Europe and is responsible for all of the success and getting out of the dark age.
it seemed like a good deal for both. the kings would be provided with legitimacy and the pope would be provided with defense forces. the two could easily hold knives at each others throats. the pope could make the people rise up in arms through religous threats, as he did to the german king. the kings actually commanded men and recources, the kings were ultmatley the victors, henry the fifth proved that kings had more power than popes. the reformation was also important, as it allowed kings to rid themselves of the popes control. id go so far as to say that the reformation suceeded because the german kings liked the ideas enough to adopt them.
as the church stepped into power it created a problem for the lords which was, they were going to lose their power to the pope. so they had to convert to christianity to retain power over their people. though the peasents were bound to their lord they were also bound to the church and had to keep faith if they wanted to go to heaven. looking at it that way, no government could openly oppose the pope without losing their followers. so there was bound to be tension between the church and the governors.
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