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Monday, December 8, 2008
Exit Ticket - 12-8-08
None of the early Greek philosophers found the "physis" - the basic substance of the universe. Were they failures? Explain your reasons.
They were most certainly not failures. For first they did not discover the physis, but they did scratch the surface and that's what they should do. That is what humans have done throughout history. People have set out to do something and sometimes don't accomplish what they sent out to do, but they either discover something different or start a discovery for future generations to finish. So they started the wheels in motion and maybe someday we will discover what they set out to do. So the knowledge these Greek philosophers gathered helped build the foundations of philosophy for generations today to use.
I wouldn't say they were failures although they didn't suceed. What they did accomplish however was opening up more ideas and possibilities from what they did discover. This gave the next group of people who tried to find the physis some leadway. So, in conclusion, I wouldn't say they were failures because they did do something usefull for people in the future who also wanted to find the answer, so that they had somewhere to start. Not finding the physis wasn't a total loss.
Kelly F. I belive the philosophers were not failures at all. In my opinon a failure is someone who gives up just becuase it's "too hard" or "impossible". Each and everyone one of the philosophers made educated guesses and led us in the right direction. They did not just quit all together. Yet, they did not find the "physis" but what they did leave were clues and assumptions to help us find the actual "physis". Without these guesses and assumptions from the philosophers who knows how long it would have taken to find the "physis". These philosphers were not failures because they worked hard at trying to figure it out. Even though they did no succeed, they still left us with valuable information to be built upon.
Failure is when you don't try to accomplish a certain goal. All of these men made it their goals to try and find the physis. They all worked very hard so they were not failures. Since they tried and practically made it their life goal to find this physis, they were very ahrd workers. Even though they didn't succeed, they are admired a great deal. All of these men were great thinkers, and if they cannot make a final decision or conclusion to what a physis is, and they spent their whole lives trying, then I don't believe man will. Perhaps it is "the will of a higher being" that no body will succeed in this task. This is like the anthropomorphism that we talked about in class. The Olympians believed in the higher gods, and if these men believed that, then maybe they realized that that higher god did not favor them in that aspect and they should try a different course of life, which none did, but it made them try to succeed even more in this matter.
No, they were not failures. They did not fully reach their high, potential goal, but they did not give up either. This makes them courageous. They set a base to start at for the future and that was more than enough. Without them, we wouldn't have come as far as we have in the future. Also, in the process of finding the physis they shared there thoughts with others spreading knowledge about the land, and giving opportunity for many others to add on to their success.
justin They didn't fail because their idea's didn't head in that direction. They, like Bryan said, scratched the surface of this idea which enabled others to work off their foundation. This thought of the physis wasn't the main focus of the phylosophers but it was still there. They looked in the wrong places due to their lack of knowledge. If they came into our time they would have a lot more advantages and get closer than they ever could.
I most certainly agree with dylan and kelly. The philosphers are not failures because they did try. Even though they weren't able to figure out their final goal, just as Dylan and Kelly said, they found other assumptions to help us figure out what the "physis" was today.
No, they were not failures. Not only is the physis almost impossible to find if it does exist, but even if they were to find it, how could they prove that it truly was the substance of the universe? Everyone in the universe has a different opinion or idea of what the physis is. Also, what if the true reason that people are put on earth is to solve this giant puzzle? I think it would make perfect sense if the only reason people were put on earth was to find the physis, and that was your true meaning. Nothing to do with the afterlife or god necessarily, just that people needed to find this out. Obviously the philosophers had a desire to find the physis, what if that desire lies hidden in everyone? And what if the truth is everyone is reincarnated, on and on forever, in a cycle until we do find the physis? what if that truly is the meaning of life; to find the physis? If so, it could not be done by just one philosopher, it has to be done through years of evolution, and human growth.
*I know this was kind of vague I can explain more in class.
The philosophers were not failures. Their pursuits led to more discoveries then the physis. Although they didn't find the physis, they absolutely precedented philosophy through out society and presented influences that would continue later on in time. With all of this said, in conclusion the philosophers were not failures but the opposite in other people's eyes as precedents of society in philosophy.
The Greek philosophers were not failures. Although they did not succeed in their search for the physis, they created a building block for future phylosophy and established a curiosity about the world. Their mission is not yet over, perhaps future successors will achieve the original goal that was set by the Ancient Philosophers. The ideas and knowledge that the original philosophers set forth are the fundamentals of philosophy today and for philosophy in the future.
The Greek philosophers were definitely not failures due to their brilliant ideas structured originally to find the actual “physis”, but instead held a pathway for others to build upon. I agree with Kelly and David, the philosophers worked hard to try to understand what the “physis” is and how to incorporate methods of achievement. Not getting to the final product is never a failure if you discover important discoveries along the way.
I believe that the greek philosophers were not failures by any means. Although they did not discover the physis itself, they built a foundation which would later help it be discovered. As Katelyn stated, the final product was not ultimately found. But, these philosophers set a goal and did infact work to reach it. Such 'projects' take generations to comprehend, and early philosophers contributed to defining the physis.
They were not failures, as they all made great contributions to the world of philosophy. They all used the knowledge, and wisdom, at hand, and developed strong hypotheses, and had the ability to back them up. Every generation of philosophers was given the work of the previous.They further built upon the ideas, leaving us where we are todayinglyzab
In my opinion, I do not believe that their failures. They have accomplished little things that built upon information until this day. They have made up questions, ideas, augmenting the the process to find the answer, like others have said on comments above. On top of that, they actually tried which was the main factor that concluded if they were failures or not.
Was Einstein a failure? NO! Just because they couldnt find the physis doesnt make them at all failures. They helped progress the intellect of their minds, and "showered light upon the creatures of the dark" (basically meaning they helped people who had no knoledge of the world by beginning the path to realization). I admit, that they hadnt succeded but stepped into the world or realization.
The Greek philosophers were not failures but important tools in achieving their goal. All philosophers that searched for the “physis” found something that, came close but did not exactly meet all the criteria needed to be considered the "physis". Yet, they did cross off several possibilities and created a structure that later people could build upon.
I do not think they are failures. They were tying to find something that was beyond them or something that was not even there. The philosopher set a precedent for future generations and help us futher our knowledge and wisdom on this "physis" topic.
They were deffinately not failures, its true that they did not discover the physis but they opened up a path of knowledge for later people to use and build upon. Where would we be today if it wasn't for their work and questioning. I don't think it would be possible for anyone to discover the physis in one life time anyways.
they were failures in a respect although they all contributed to the realization of the physis. the sacrifice of these scholars led to a greater view of the world as we know it. by sharing their views on the physis, they expanded the minds of the people of the time.
I agree with what Matt said which meens I agree with Sara Kelly and Dill. Just because you dont succeed certianly does not meen you fialed. Like kelly said Fialure is when someone gives up and in reasult of that they do not get done what they needed to do. The Philosophers did not give up so in no way in my opinion are they fialures
they werent failures because they, like bryan said scratched the surface. these physis paved the way for future pphilosophers like socrates. i missed this lesson so i dont really know what this is about. can i have half-credit?
I agree with Alex. Although the Romans may have had a good plan for their government durinng that time period (they had all the neccesary role assigned) it wasn't perfect. Certain positions had far to much power. In my opinion, that was their major flaw. Also, I like Zac's comment about the playstation 1.
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They were most certainly not failures. For first they did not discover the physis, but they did scratch the surface and that's what they should do. That is what humans have done throughout history. People have set out to do something and sometimes don't accomplish what they sent out to do, but they either discover something different or start a discovery for future generations to finish. So they started the wheels in motion and maybe someday we will discover what they set out to do. So the knowledge these Greek philosophers gathered helped build the foundations of philosophy for generations today to use.
I wouldn't say they were failures although they didn't suceed. What they did accomplish however was opening up more ideas and possibilities from what they did discover. This gave the next group of people who tried to find the physis some leadway. So, in conclusion, I wouldn't say they were failures because they did do something usefull for people in the future who also wanted to find the answer, so that they had somewhere to start. Not finding the physis wasn't a total loss.
Kelly F.
I belive the philosophers were not failures at all. In my opinon a failure is someone who gives up just becuase it's "too hard" or "impossible". Each and everyone one of the philosophers made educated guesses and led us in the right direction. They did not just quit all together. Yet, they did not find the "physis" but what they did leave were clues and assumptions to help us find the actual "physis". Without these guesses and assumptions from the philosophers who knows how long it would have taken to find the "physis". These philosphers were not failures because they worked hard at trying to figure it out. Even though they did no succeed, they still left us with valuable information to be built upon.
Failure is when you don't try to accomplish a certain goal. All of these men made it their goals to try and find the physis. They all worked very hard so they were not failures. Since they tried and practically made it their life goal to find this physis, they were very ahrd workers. Even though they didn't succeed, they are admired a great deal. All of these men were great thinkers, and if they cannot make a final decision or conclusion to what a physis is, and they spent their whole lives trying, then I don't believe man will. Perhaps it is "the will of a higher being" that no body will succeed in this task. This is like the anthropomorphism that we talked about in class. The Olympians believed in the higher gods, and if these men believed that, then maybe they realized that that higher god did not favor them in that aspect and they should try a different course of life, which none did, but it made them try to succeed even more in this matter.
No, they were not failures. They did not fully reach their high, potential goal, but they did not give up either. This makes them courageous. They set a base to start at for the future and that was more than enough. Without them, we wouldn't have come as far as we have in the future. Also, in the process of finding the physis they shared there thoughts with others spreading knowledge about the land, and giving opportunity for many others to add on to their success.
justin
They didn't fail because their idea's didn't head in that direction. They, like Bryan said, scratched the surface of this idea which enabled others to work off their foundation. This thought of the physis wasn't the main focus of the phylosophers but it was still there. They looked in the wrong places due to their lack of knowledge. If they came into our time they would have a lot more advantages and get closer than they ever could.
Matt Hoey
I most certainly agree with dylan and kelly. The philosphers are not failures because they did try. Even though they weren't able to figure out their final goal, just as Dylan and Kelly said, they found other assumptions to help us figure out what the "physis" was today.
No, they were not failures. Not only is the physis almost impossible to find if it does exist, but even if they were to find it, how could they prove that it truly was the substance of the universe? Everyone in the universe has a different opinion or idea of what the physis is. Also, what if the true reason that people are put on earth is to solve this giant puzzle? I think it would make perfect sense if the only reason people were put on earth was to find the physis, and that was your true meaning. Nothing to do with the afterlife or god necessarily, just that people needed to find this out. Obviously the philosophers had a desire to find the physis, what if that desire lies hidden in everyone? And what if the truth is everyone is reincarnated, on and on forever, in a cycle until we do find the physis? what if that truly is the meaning of life; to find the physis? If so, it could not be done by just one philosopher, it has to be done through years of evolution, and human growth.
*I know this was kind of vague I can explain more in class.
The philosophers were not failures. Their pursuits led to more discoveries then the physis. Although they didn't find the physis, they absolutely precedented philosophy through out society and presented influences that would continue later on in time. With all of this said, in conclusion the philosophers were not failures but the opposite in other people's eyes as precedents of society in philosophy.
Meg Voyer
The Greek philosophers were not failures. Although they did not succeed in their search for the physis, they created a building block for future phylosophy and established a curiosity about the world. Their mission is not yet over, perhaps future successors will achieve the original goal that was set by the Ancient Philosophers. The ideas and knowledge that the original philosophers set forth are the fundamentals of philosophy today and for philosophy in the future.
The Greek philosophers were definitely not failures due to their brilliant ideas structured originally to find the actual “physis”, but instead held a pathway for others to build upon. I agree with Kelly and David, the philosophers worked hard to try to understand what the “physis” is and how to incorporate methods of achievement. Not getting to the final product is never a failure if you discover important discoveries along the way.
Sarah Kelley
I believe that the greek philosophers were not failures by any means. Although they did not discover the physis itself, they built a foundation which would later help it be discovered. As Katelyn stated, the final product was not ultimately found. But, these philosophers set a goal and did infact work to reach it. Such 'projects' take generations to comprehend, and early philosophers contributed to defining the physis.
They were not failures, as they all made great contributions to the world of philosophy. They all used the knowledge, and wisdom, at hand, and developed strong hypotheses, and had the ability to back them up. Every generation of philosophers was given the work of the previous.They further built upon the ideas, leaving us where we are todayinglyzab
In my opinion, I do not believe that their failures. They have accomplished little things that built upon information until this day. They have made up questions, ideas, augmenting the the process to find the answer, like others have said on comments above. On top of that, they actually tried which was the main factor that concluded if they were failures or not.
I do not believe they were failures because they provided a step for another philosipher to think of what the phisis of life is.
Was Einstein a failure? NO! Just because they couldnt find the physis doesnt make them at all failures. They helped progress the intellect of their minds, and "showered light upon the creatures of the dark" (basically meaning they helped people who had no knoledge of the world by beginning the path to realization). I admit, that they hadnt succeded but stepped into the world or realization.
The Greek philosophers were not failures but important tools in achieving their goal. All philosophers that searched for the “physis” found something that, came close but did not exactly meet all the criteria needed to be considered the "physis". Yet, they did cross off several possibilities and created a structure that later people could build upon.
I do not think they are failures. They were tying to find something that was beyond them or something that was not even there. The philosopher set a precedent for future generations and help us futher our knowledge and wisdom on this "physis" topic.
They were deffinately not failures, its true that they did not discover the physis but they opened up a path of knowledge for later people to use and build upon. Where would we be today if it wasn't for their work and questioning. I don't think it would be possible for anyone to discover the physis in one life time anyways.
they were failures in a respect although they all contributed to the realization of the physis. the sacrifice of these scholars led to a greater view of the world as we know it. by sharing their views on the physis, they expanded the minds of the people of the time.
I agree with what Matt said which meens I agree with Sara Kelly and Dill. Just because you dont succeed certianly does not meen you fialed. Like kelly said Fialure is when someone gives up and in reasult of that they do not get done what they needed to do. The Philosophers did not give up so in no way in my opinion are they fialures
they werent failures because they, like bryan said scratched the surface. these physis paved the way for future pphilosophers like socrates. i missed this lesson so i dont really know what this is about. can i have half-credit?
I agree with Alex. Although the Romans may have had a good plan for their government durinng that time period (they had all the neccesary role assigned) it wasn't perfect. Certain positions had far to much power. In my opinion, that was their major flaw. Also, I like Zac's comment about the playstation 1.
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