Sorry about not getting an exit ticket for yesterday!
So here is today's question: Do you accept Plato's definition of reality from "The Allegory of the Cave?" Is his version of reality your version of reality? Please give a specific example to explain you answer.
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23 comments:
Justin
i thought that Socrates was the one telling the story. if the upper world is reality then i agree with Aristotle's description of reality. i only have a few thing that i would change. instead if having grass and water and the trees he sees, i would probably change it to some form of evidence that humans have been there. humans have been almost all the places in the world and have left signs they had been there.
I agree with most of Plato's idea of life. I agree that most people have tunnel vision and are never open minded. Also most people will stay in a dark cave for their whole lives and never once look to the light of the outside. Meaning that the light could represent many things such as a goal, or new knowledge, or even a 100 on a test. Also that if a person shall ever experience the upper world of life, that the people of the cave will laugh at them because they do not know how to handle it. They could be jealous or threatened of the light or are afraid because they do not understand it. This metephor of life is a very good one and i support his ideas.
Kelly Francisco
I agree with Kyle when he says most people are closeminded and don't really look at the other side. Most people only look for the good not realizing without bad, be cant have good. Many people are in a dark place their whole lives refusing to look at other ways to live. They are stuck with this idea of one way to live life. I also think the Alogory of the Cave also was saying that many people aren't satisfied with what they have so they go looking for more and in the end loose everything. People today are greedy, and always want more then they have. People are also afraid of the unknown. If something is new to them then most often people fear it. They don't embrace they avoid it. I agree with the idea that were in The Alogory of the Cave.
the view on life is kind of cynical. kyle and kelly definatley have got it right. most people live their lives in a closeminded state. if anyone who has seen the light attempts to talk to the people who are in the darkness and unwilling to change. people are afraid of the change will never know the beauty of the light.
Sarah Kelley
I agree mostly with Plato's ideas on life. I agree with Kyle when he stated many of us live our lives closeminded. Many do not turn their heads the other way to see how others are living or feeling, and are too self involved. Some fear emerging from the darkness. This could be because they truely fear what they could become once reaching the light. Fear of the unknown holds many back. Therefore, many intentionally live in unnoticeable shadows. One point not elaborated on in the text would be if we look to the other extreme, which exists in real life. We see that some do the complete opposite. They thrive on reaching the light, so much, that their entire lives are dedicated to obsessing over it.
Acorrding to The Allegory in the Cave, Plato thinks of reality as being broken up into two main groupd- bad and good. Bad being linked with darkness and good with light. I agree with light and darkness being connected to good and bad. This is because symbolically, light could represent happiness which is good, and dark could be anger or sorrow which is bad. I don't however, agree with good and bad being completely seperate because with good comes bad and with bad comes good. Like Mr. Yip said, they couldn't exsist without each other because you have to experince bad so you kno what good is, and the other way around.
What I took from Allegory of the Cave is that Platos idea of reality is, reality is only what's real to you. And I agree with him. The people inside of the cave not being able to see or move, that was their life they knew no other. So its their reality. Yet when the one man was set free he was brought to a world he did not know. This became a reality to him. Who knows maybe there is a reality beyond the reality we know.
Eddie
I believe most of what Plato stated on The Allegory of the Cave. People have their one side on things and don't open thereself up to other people's ideals. This demonstrates tunnel vision which is a metaphor which is seeing one side of things. As such with religion or even government. They only believe what they know; what they see in life. I believe that as they exit the cave as referring to the story of the Allegory of the Cave, they will be elaborated in life and will be suprized as ecountering new realities. I think life is very similar to the events that happened in the Allegory of the Cave.
I agree with Plato. His ideas are very illuminating to a person with inferior study on matters of philosophy, like myself. Plato believes that most people will stay in that comfort zone (darkness) forever and never venture passed what they believe life should be like. I think that Kyle’s theory of the other people in the cave looking on the man who has seen light with jealousy and contempt; is very likely to be on the very lines the author was thinking at the time he wrote the passage.
I think that Plato was acctually pretty correct with his idea of reality. Even in his time, it is amazing to understand that peoples minds were all ready so fully developed and their thoughts ran freely to roam where they wanted. His version of reality is kind of what I imagine it, because all the people in the cave would be like stubborn pepole today, people who didn't want to change the way they lived their lives. However, the guy that ventured outside the cave was an open minded person who would think free and he would be in the light, open to any thing you ask.
I agree with Plato's reality but not fully. There are a lot of people in the world that has a small vision of things and then there are people that are more openminded and will walk into the light more instead of stayin in the dark. I agree that you have to experience both dark and light to know what is what and become accustomed to both. An example would be like a person living out in the mountains training to be a ninja and they suddenly decide to go into the city and they see how different it is so this person is experiencing the old and the new.
Meg
I agreed with most of Plato's ideas. He basically believed that people were shortsighted. The way Pluto viewed the world was pretty black and white. People believe only what they know. I think his perspective on reality is pretty valid.
Matt Hoey
I agree with Dave on how Plato was pretty much correct. Dave had said that people in the cave were like people now and how they don't like change and thats a thought i have on people today too. There are only some people who strive for the light or good while others are nonwilling to look for something better if they don't have something already great.
Katelyn Connor
Plato’s definition of reality is easy to accept, especially the idea that the need “to grow accustomed (used to)” new truths before seeing things “in the upper world”. Often times people will only accept a new idea or a way of doing things from “baby steps”. New wisdom acquired by a person makes them excited to spread the word, but their information is not necessarily wanted or welcomed by others. This response is seen with topics we can’t explain like religion, UFO’s, and the paranormal. Some claim to have the “wisdom”, but cannot provide the proof needed to sway others. The basic idea that our experience creates our own levels of reality which may or may not be able to be transferred to others - makes sense. The Allegory of the Cave, shows that being open to “considering the impossible” may be a good thing.
Plato believes that in the "upper world" people are free to think and do what they want. In the cave the people are very stubborn they only let themselves believe what they have been told and they refuse to change their minds. In many ways this is true. It is a very large span between open-minded and close minded, but everyone has their own opinions, and no one can change that. For example take the election this year, say someone who was voting for Obama was talking to a republican they would try to impose their views of governmental methodology to them. The democrat being close minded would not listen to his viewpoint and take it into consideration. I believe somewhat in what Plato says, I don't believe that people would be as close minded as the people in the cave are. The people would try to communicate and they would try to learn things from each other. They wouldn't believe that what was in the cave was the world, and there was no way out of it. The upper world is too perfect, in Plato's views. We have all the physical elements, but socially we are not perfect. People aren't always nice to each other and themselves. There is a lack of trust between people in today's degrading society. So I'm 50/50 about Plato's viewpoint of reality.
The obove first comments would rather summarize a brief explanation of Plato's definition of reality. It is clear to see, as said above, that most people in life don't try out new things, rather they follow the same routine over and over again. A tedius routine that would be developed can also be hard to break for some. For example how the guy who came back to free the rest, they preferred to stay in the darkness. Not actually thinking of what can be on the other side.
his view on life is true, if u look at all sides of the matter and not just one part. a lot of people, do live in a tunnel vision-like state, close mindedness. i also agree with how before the prisoner was freed his reality was different then after. and how since he had nothing to compare it to his life was neither good nor bad. he had no opposite of the spectrum. this doesn't really make any sense;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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I agree with Plato's ideas. Most people do have tunnel vision, and are close minded, much like everyone has said. I like how sarah said "some fear emerging from the darkness" because thats as true now as it was 2000 years ago. People are scared of change, but the darkness represents something more than that. It represents ignorance. People stick to that ignorance is bliss concept, and never truly come into what they could be as human beings.
I love the way Plato exerted his views on the people of the cave. What it lost in the story is the way Plato spred he views across without possibly offending any people of his time. the way he did that was ingenious by talling the topic sybolicly. I agree with kyle when he says most people have tunnel vision and are never open minded. People believe anything they hear until they are proven wrong. The best example would be for me from Santa i believed Santa until my parents told me he wasnt reel.
reality can not be felt or seen or anything. i believe that socrates is the prisonkeeper and that he is enlightening the people of his nation by broadening their views on their existance. i think that there is no "knowing" but only thinking. the true reality is in your thoughts, not in the real world.
I believe that this was a correct description of my reality. I think this because of how people really do seem like they are forced to do the same thing in a cave with no new ideas and when there is a new idea then he is shunned. The upper world is a beautiful thing, but a lot of people will not take the time to stop and look.
Yes i agree with Plato's description of reality. He said that the outside of the cave, the upperworld, was knoledge, perfection or a goal that we should reach, and if we are placed back into the darkness, the absence of knoledge, then we long for more knoledge. Some people are so stubborn with their old ways they will do anything to stay the same.
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