Friday, September 19, 2008

Indus Valley blog

After reading p. 38-42 in your text, complete the "before, during, and after" reading posts. You can format this blog in three sections:

Section 1: your prior thoughts on what is a civilization and

Section 2: how similar/different are your thoughts compared to the author.

Section 3: what are the important points you need to know to succeed

Think about what I have been teaching you concerning the interactions with the text. Section 1 would concern the "Before" reading, section 2 would concern "During" reading, and section 3 would concern the most important information. In fact, you may head each section as "Before" "During," and "After."

24 comments:

the jew said...

Section 1: Before Reading: I think that a civilization is a village or town with people that have a sense of government and laws. They work together to survive, prosper and reach "new hights".

During Reading: I was mostly right about what a a civilaiztion was, but did not nclude the use of writing, and sculpting to make visual art. Also, i forgot to mention that a civilization uses its natural rsources and should have a solid food source and defense.

After Reading: The Indus people were a group of humans that lived amoung the Indus River. Their economy relyed on agriculture, including wheat, barley, rice, and peas. The central of power, the city of Harappa was based on the square. Harappa resembled the city of Mohenjo-Daro and they created sewage which was an invention that they created. The Harappans were deeply intrigued with art and sculptures. It was their greatest accompishment because the sculptures showed personality. Sadly the "enigma" is that nobody can desipher the Harappan langauge which has over 400 characters. The only remains of the language are written on the Harappan Seals, which is very dissapointing :(

bondjames said...

- Tom Wynne

My view of a civilization was a group of similar people who banded together for survival. People who simply grew crops ate them waited until the next growing season to occur, then plant grow and eat again. All of this, with the occasional attack from others who are unable provide for themselves.
I was only a tad bit off with my original thoughts on what a civilization consisted of, other than the enormous cities, armies, and trade I was rather close to the author’s view of things. What I found most interesting was the fact that these civilizations were attacked and raided all the time mainly for food. Is it not a strange thing, that when someone achieves or creates something worth creating there is another who tries to take it away. And the people of mohenjo-draco discovered that to there cost.
The most important point in my opinion is that of the surplus of food. If you have a surplus of food your crop can fail and all will not be lost. A surplus of food also increases the chance of attack so it has its drawbacks, you can eat but there’s a chance that some guy will cut your throat in the night, and take all of the food. But, that is a risk they had to take. Another point is to discard this idea that all people in civilizations were all the same race and had the same religion, this is a common misconception as showed in India.

The Hoeyboy said...

Matt Hoey:
My thoughts on what a civilization is, is a community of people who work together for food and survive on each other's help. They also govern themselves and try new things to make their lives better.

My thoughts were pretty similar to the author's aspect. The only things that i didn't mention were that the civilization has natural resources, that they were cities and towns with an army, a stable food source and items for trade.

The important things to remember would be the things that helped the civilization the most. Such as the surplus of food that helped feed all the people while their population grew. They also had a variety of foo so if one crop failed they would still have another crop to rely on. Another thing would be all the sculptures they made such as the priest king and the dancing girl of Mohenjo Daro. These sculptures showed a lot of significance because it would show what these people were interested in and how they expressed their ideals.

Katelyn Connor said...

Katelyn Connor-
Before Reading: Civilization is a community of people, working to make better lives for themselves. People work together to construct buildings, figure out the best ways to get and keep food, form the rules needed for an organized society, and pick leaders to make sure problems are solved. A civilization, in my opinion is a group of people who work together to perform tasks and help each other survive.

During Reading: I did not consider the use of war and the need for walls and protection against others. When I think of civilization, I think of “civilized” so destruction did not come first to mind. Also, I didn’t really think about trade with others, I mainly would think of one community working only for itself, which is really not enough.

After Reading: I found that diverse landscape and large land mass near water offered opportunities for farming and trade, rice and cotton being main products as well as copper and stones available for trade. Landlords and merchants ruled over many cities and towns, using a writing system that cannot be translated even today, that seemed surprising. The idea that a civilization could be destroyed suddenly is frightening, although its downfall may have been on the decline well before based on evidence of trash and disrepair of the city. Many things are not known about the downfall of the culture prior to the Aryans. I wonder if there was a war at all, or if the people had been destroyed by nature before the Aryans came upon the area. Aryans came at a time when the area was not at its strongest, introducing iron plows and irrigation to make the agriculture economy strong, also developing a writing system. So, technology always has a chance to advance in a civilization of people who are trying to find a better way of life. Also, the function of the buildings being less artistic was surprising because I think of Indian culture as having an ornate sense of style. The pottery and other sculptures being sophisticated make sense. The government was ruled by a set of laws and a council, rather than one King making decisions alone.

Cameron Blais said...

Before- Civilization is the crowning acheivement of mankind. It is a group of people, with ideas and plans, who come together to survive and prosper.

During- The author has a similiar attitude towards civilization, and it seems that they admire the Harrapan Civilization. I forgot about the ability to write as a characteristic of civilization, but it is indeed a necessary component.

After- The Harrapan People where a civilized people who lived in the Indus River Valley. They relied on agriculture, and the surplus from farming helped they're population grow. They were an extremely religious and artistic people, with examples like the priest king and the unicorn seal, and they had a large and intricate system of writing, that can be seen on the seals found in Harrapa and Mohenjo-Daro

Bryan Sadowski said...

Before: My thoughts on civilization is basically that civilization is a group of people working together to accomplish a common goal which in most cases for a civilization is to survive.

During: I think in this chapter the author talks more about the cultural aspects of a civilization becuase its in India. I have failed to mention cutlure and religon in my previous postings. The culture asspect is very impotant because in some civiluizatios the culture and the religon runs the lives of the people.

After: Some important points to remember is there are alot of factors to be considered when you are talking about the foundations of civilization. In this chapter the key point to remember is religon which is one of the biggest factor when your talking about the Indus Valley civilization. Also art and culture is an importnat aspects because through art and existing culture we can get an idea of what the people were like in the early Indus Valley civilization.

Unknown said...

Sarah Kelley- Period 4

Before Reading- My idea of a civilization before reading was a common group of people who lived and worked together to survive. These people shared goals for their community and strived to reach them. A system for providing food, shelter, protection, and education was most likely established for the civilization's members.

During Reading- My ideas of a civilization were rather general, while the author's were specific. I did not point out technological advancements of this time, such as the evolution of writing and communication. I also did not know there could be numerous diverse civilizations in one country or area.

After Reading- The Indus River valley, in ancient times, had a balanced climate and served as the cradle of Indian civilization. The Harappan civilization, like today, consisted of people who had varried wealth. Their economy was based on agriculture. Harappan peoples had artistic abilities demonstrated on pottery. A great mystery is how the Harappan civilization came to an end. The Aryans took over where the Harappan's left off.

Anonymous said...

Before- Before I read the section in the book I thought of a civilization as being a gruop of people living in a certain area who shared similar ideas, and had some for of government.

During- I was basically right about a civilization, except that I left out agriculture, the use of artistic sculpting, writing, and trade between civilizations.

After- The main ideas to remember are the Harappan people used agriculture, they used writing, they used sclping to make art, and they used their animals for food (since they had so many animals that had had a surplus af food) and for trading with other civilizations.

Edward Cummins said...

Edward Cummins

Before Reading- I still define a civilization as a union of people who work together and produce ideas for the society. They create systems to make surviving easier. That includes food surpluses, ways to make the food or provide the food, education, and protection of the society.

During Reading- I was partially correct. I didn't include Harappa’s highest artistic achievement which was the art of sculpting and I didn't include the use of writing in Harappa.

After Reading- India was a land of diversity with all the different languages and religions. Hinduism and Buddhism was first formed in India. The Indus River valley was the cradle of society for the Indians. The center of power is Harappa. Harappa and The city of Mohenjo- Daro were divided into large walled neighborhoods. What is left of the language of the Harappans are on the Harappan Seals. They had shown their sense of art on pottery which was their highest Artistic achievement.

tomwynne said...

Before; my view of a civilization was a group of similar people who banded together for survival. People who simply grew crops ate them waited until the next growing season to occur, then plant grow and eat again. People in a civilization also have to share views and beliefs; well this is what I believed.
During- The Chinese believed that 3 people modeled their past and discovered the basic ways of living, and these individuals past their findings to mortals so that they could survive. This is or course preposterous yet it does show how all people in a civilization want an explanation for how they came to be their and how they survived so many years. Small the author in the text book differed from me in several ways but we were in one mind in essentials.
The only major difference I can see is the diversity that exists in civilizations.

After- after reading I think the major points include the creation of means to communicate. Also the Chinese had a very artistic look on life and sculpted quite often and were impressively good at it.

Anonymous said...

Before reading: I think a civilization is a group of people who share common beliefs, religiously, economically, and culturally. They have similar government, military& economic structures. they also come together during crises to overcome it.
During reading: I knew almost nothing about the harrapans. I mostly agree with the author, especially on how the civilization formed. They were artistic and had an (undecifered) writing system. They appear to be theocratic.
After reading:
• The harrapans started similarly to the Mesopotamians, in farming villeges which united.
• They had an unusual writing system
• They were theocratic.
• They had advanced pottery
• They will continue to be a mystery to us until we deciefer their writing system

john said...

Before- I dont really know anything about the indus valley civilizations, but i can predict they have some similarities between them, mesopatamia and egypt because the three had established trade.

During- LIke i stated before, the author also said that in several respects the indus river people called Harrapans were similar to the nile and mesopatamian civilizations. THe Harraans had a writing sytem, showing that they were organized but experts have been unable to decipher their pictographic symbols.

After- Harrapan's economy was based on agriculture also like the other civilization. Wheat, barley, rice and peas were the primary crops. Their greatest artistic achievement was sculpturing. What i found kind of neat was that evidence shows that Harrapa was not a centralized monarchy with a theocratic government like the other civilizations, but many towns and cities loosely connected by trade and alliances.

megv said...

MegVoyer
Before: Before reading, I didn't really know anything about the Indus River Valley. The only thing I knew was that there was a civilzation. This means that they had a government, laws, writing, labor division, and a complex culture and society.

During: While i was reading I discovered that this civilization had many natural resources that enabled this civilization to maintain a stable food source.

After: The people who lived in the Indus River Valley were the "Harrapans". The were able to maintain a surplus of natural resources and food. This enabled their civilization to grow and prosper. We know that they had a complex culture through their exquisite, artistic sculptures. The Harrapans were theocratic.

Unknown said...

Kelly Francisco

before reading; I don't really know much at all about the Indus Valley Civilzation. However, for it to be a civilization it must work together, and have some morals or guidlines like other civilizations.

during reading; There is a civilization here. They have religious beliefs, an ability to contruct art, as well as trading and communicating. They also had many natural resources.

after reading; the main points i thought were;
-lived among the Indus River
-had many natural resources
-variety/surplus of food
-religious & artistic

Unknown said...

Before: i know next to nothing about the indus valley besides that its in India. a civilization has to have good soil and have good water.

During: a civilazation has to have the things i mentioned but i forgot writing and laws. they should have good natural defenses and lots of food in order to have a large population.

After: the Indus lived along the Indus river in India. they ate wheat rice and peas. the Indus were fascinated by art. their greatest accompishments were that in art and sculpture. they had a written language which died a long time ago. whats left of the language is on their artwork.

Kyle said...

Before: I know that the indus river valley was a civilization in India and was next to the Indus river. The basis of a sturdy civilization has to have good natural resources, natural barriers etc.

After:The people that lived along the Indus river were powerful. They had strong religious beliefs and created art.

After: The Indus people had a large quantity of natural resources. The indus was very important t them like all other civilizations to transport goods. They also created many artistic creations.

justin said...

before: all i know about the Indus valley is that it was in India, located between the Indus river and Ganges river. that is seriously all that i know. i can't read the next section because my book is in the school and we aren't allowed in school since the crash.

Anonymous said...

Before - I literally know absolutely nothing about the indus people, except that they traded with egypt, but thats about it.
A civilization is a goup of people working together to survive.

Anonymous said...

During - at the beginning of this section the author mentions how diverse of a group the Indus river people were, but he/she only focused on one group. Which didn’t make much sense to me?
The author only focused on the Harappan civilization, and their culture, political and social structures etc.

After- The Indus people lived around the Indus River. (Obviously) they were a diverse group of people with many languages and a diverse geographical environment. One of the main civilizations was the Harappans. They were a sophisticated community, which based their architectural structure on the square. They were very advanced in the fact that they basically had a sewage system. Their houses were made of mud bricks. They began as tiny farm villages and grew into a walled city with and elite living and privileged ruling. The Harappans had a writing system that was so stylized it could not be identified. Harappan society was ruled by a coalition of landlords instead of kings, queens and priest. It is possible that they have moved on from spirit beliefs and only believed in one god or goddess. Their main agriculture included wheat barley rice and peas. Harappans had many artistic achievements like painted pottery, their highest however were sculptures.

Anonymous said...

Before-I don't really know much about the indus valley people except for that they had a trade route with mesopatamia.
During-The people had religious beliefs and were artistic. They had a lot of natural resources and traded with other civilizations.
After-
-they lived around the indus river
-they had an unusual writing system
-they made advanced pottery and were artistic
-they had a surplus of food/variety of food

Anonymous said...

Reison Gomez
Before-
Civilization is a group of people who perform actions together to evolve and make better of their society. They increase upon their technology and knowledge.
During-
I agree with what the author says about India being a land of diversity. Many of it's languages and culcuters that developed there as it says in the textbook, did make the land diversity.
After-
Some important points is that different culturesand languages developed from India. Harappan civilization is still difficult to decipher as well as their language till this day. They are also said to be very artistic in their sculptures. few artifacts survived from that civilization, but two are The Dancing Girl, and the Harappan Seals.

justin said...

after reading
in 1920 the discovery of a civilization in India occurred. the civilization dated back thousands of years. it was a sophisticated society called harappa. it resembles both Mesopotamian and Egyptian societies. harappa`was surrounded by a 3.5 mile wall, and at the base 40 ft thick. the city inhabited 80,000 people. harappa wasn't a monarchy but a group of towns and cities tied together by trade. the primary crops were wheat barley rice and peas. the mohenjo daro a city that resembled harappa made there own sewage system leading away under ground. it is believed that the harappans fell when the aryans came. they were a nomadic less sophisticated group that excelled in war.

Unknown said...

before
i don't no much about the Indus river valley civilization. I'm guessing they had fertile land since they were on a river. the also probably had a lot of trade because water ways are a good transportation system.
during
the author pointed out the technological advances in the Indus river valley civilization witch i found interesting because i did not make that connection.
after
-people in the Indus valley had lots of resources
-the river was VERY important
-Harappans

iAmazing said...

Before- Civilization is the key to having a community that can grow and prosper with time.

During- Civilizations are a big part about these people and they do what they need to survive, like have a writing system and laws to follow.

After- The Harrapan People where a civilized people who lived in the Indus River Valley. They relied on farming, and the extra food from farming helped they're population grow. They were religious and artistic people, and they had a large and sophisticated system of writing, that can be seen on the seals found in Harrapa.